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Re: Ancient History.
At 00:21 2/7/98, Padraic Brown wrote:
>On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Andrew Smith wrote:
>> I thought the latin version of Gwynedd was Wenedotia. In Brithenig it is
>> Gwenedd. (According to the Age of Arther Cunedda is the origin of the
>> name Kenneth - not a name I associate with warlords myself)
>I haven't seen Wenedotia, but it looks alright to me.
Initial W is a bit odd in Latin (indeed, impossible in the Clasical
Language), tho spellings with w- are found in medieval texts from certain
areas. The forms I've been familiar with are Venedotia or Vendotia.
>Weneta was given in
>one of my books; the other names are either given or back-derived (by me).
>I hadn't the desire to back-derive all the names (some were rather
>opaque), so there're some actual Welsh names mixt in with the Brittonic.
>I assume Cune <- cunos (like so many others) and dda <- dagos; therefore
Dda is correct, but not 'cune-' (cunos would surely be cuno- in compounds).
The first element of 'Cunedda' is cognate the Welsh 'cun' (plural
'cuniad'), a word, now archaic, meaning 'lord, chieftain'. Therefore:
'Cunedd(a)' = "Good chieftan".
>> The House of Padarn, the ruling dynasty, is named after its earliest
>> ancestor, Paternus, who was one of the kings of the Votadini established
>> circa 370-380. Among his immediate successors are Cunedda and
>> Maglocunos, and later the Llewellyns (has anyone got an etimology for
>> that name?)
Ach - LLYWELYN please - Llewellyn is a horrid anglicism. As for the
etymolgy, I must plead ignorance. The first element must surely be the
same as in Llywarch. And besides Llywelyn we also have Llywel as a
masculine name & Llywela as a feminine. I have seen it suggested that
Llyw- is from Llew "lion".
Da boch chi,